Sooner or later Lebron is going to realize that not playing defense is an absolute death sentence in the West.
詹姆斯迟早会意识到的，在西部没有防守绝对就等于死刑。
Most people can admit that Lebron has been a pretty bad defender on an already terrible lakers defensive team. Essentially a continuation of last regular season.
大部分人都觉得，在湖人这么一支本就防守能力差劲的球队里，詹姆斯这个赛季的防守是很糟糕的，这也是他上赛季常规赛里防守状态的一种延续。
For the last couple of years, Lebron’s strategy of playing situational defense when he feels like it has worked during the regular season simply because of the lack of offensive firepower in the east.
过去几个赛季，勒布朗在常规赛中之所以在觉得有必要时才采取看情况防守的策略，仅仅因为东部的进攻火力相对匮乏。
Sooner or later he’s going to have to accept the fact that when you’re playing guys like AD, KD, Steph, Harden, and Lillard routinely, this strategy is death.
他如今迟早要接受的事实是，当时日常要面对安东尼-戴维斯、杜兰特、库里、哈登和利拉德这些人时，那种策略就是自寻死路。
I get that he’s 33, but come on now, he can at least put a little bit more effort in.
我知道他都33了，可是拜托啊，他至少可以再多出一点力吧。
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[–]Lakers assistanmanager 6194 points 11 hours ago
It’s almost like defense is half the game and should be taken seriously
湖人球迷：防守几乎是比赛的一半内容了，应该严肃对待啊。
[–]Whatisthefaceofmine[S] 2503 points 11 hours ago
That’s a hot take
瞧你这话说得。
[–]Lakers assistanmanager 900 points 11 hours ago
It was hard for me to say that out loud but it needed to be said
湖人球迷：说出这话我也很为难，但是总得有人开口啊。
[–]76ers choose_uh_username 374 points 11 hours ago
Thank you for being so brave
76人球迷：谢谢你这么勇敢咯。
[–]Lakers Aleksso 106 points 10 hours ago
I wont be silent, did not see defense live on tv srry
湖人球迷：我不会沉默地，不好意思，我在电视上就是看不到我们的防守。
[–]Bucks Tarmannator 30 points 10 hours ago
Tbh it's not 50% of the game. Defense isn't as valuable as offense.
雄鹿球迷：说实话啊，防守并不是比赛内容的一半。防守可没有进攻那么重要。
[–]Lakers Not_Frank_Ocean 78 points 9 hours ago*
I would probably correct this to say that individual defensive skill isn't as valuable as individual offensive skill. It's literally untrue to say that defense isn't as valuable as offense- points scored by your team and points allowed by your team are by definition equal.
湖人球迷：我觉得这么说或许更合适些：个人的防守技巧没有个人的进攻技巧那么重要。单说防守没有进攻那么重要是不对的，毕竟你球队的得分和对手让你们得到的分数从定义上来看是等同的。
[–]Warriors gogorath 125 points 9 hours ago
On a team level, defense is exactly as valuable as offense.
What I think you are trying to say is that the best offensive players can generally bring more value to their team than the best defensive players.
That's because you can choose where the ball goes on offense.
勇士球迷：从球队层面来看，防守肯定是和进攻同等重要的。
我觉得你们想表达的是，最佳的进攻型球员为球队带来的价值比最好的防守球员所贡献的要大。这是因为你们是从皮球是由进攻发起这个角度来看的。
[–]NBA Maverickman1313 17 points 9 hours ago
I thought defense wins championships. Least according to Kobe and the 08 Celtics. I kind of agree. lel
我觉得防守才能赢得总冠军。至少看看08年的科比和凯尔特人吧。我是有点同意的。
[–]Knicks Tankswagontrogdor1308 224 points 11 hours ago
It's actually more like 30% of the game. Offenses are so tough to guard today that even the best players and team defenses can only do so much. The offense player has much more control over whether a possession will be successful then the defensive player so if you had to conserve energy for one end of the court definitely makes sense to go easier on D
尼克斯球迷：防守实际上只能占比赛大约30%的内容。如今的进攻是很难防守的，即便是最好的球员和球队所能做的防守也是有限的。一个回合的进攻能否成功，进攻队员比防守球员要有大得多的决定权，所以如果你不得不为了积蓄能量而在攻防两端做出选择的话，那明显是在防守时蓄力要容易些。
[–]Wizards happyflappypancakes 54 points 10 hours ago
Especially right now. The offensive explosions this season are insane. I'm surprised when I don't see a game go to 120+ points.
奇才球迷：特别是如今这个时代。这个赛季联盟的这些球队在进攻端的爆发着实疯狂。要是我没看到哪场比赛出现120+的得分，那就真奇了怪了。
[–]Lakers BjornIngi21 93 points 11 hours ago
I’ve seen this a lot of times on here and I just don’t understand it.
If you look at the pattern of all the best teams in the NBA you’ll see that all of them are great defensively. Like the Warriors, Rockets (last year), Jazz and so on.
湖人球迷：这种论调我在这个专区看过好多次了，真的不理解啊。
你看看联盟里所有的顶尖球队的成功模式，你就会发现他们的防守全都是很强的，就好比勇士、火箭（上赛季）和爵士等等。
[–]Rockets DustyShot 144 points 10 hours ago
In an average year, a team 5th in offense and 20th in defense with do better than a team 20th in offense and 5th in defense. There's just more spread in ORTG than DRTG usually. The jazz last year are a notable exception though.
As well, the best teams always can do both (to some extent). That's just obvious. But when you're in the middle of the pack and have tough trade-offs, then you gotta make a choice sometimes.
火箭球迷：在一个寻常赛季，一支进攻端排名第五、防守端第20的球队会比，那种进攻端排第20位防守端排第五位的球队表现更好。通常来看，进攻效率值比防守效率值更能说明问题。不过上赛季的爵士却是个显著的特例。
虽说如此，那些顶尖球队（在某种程度上）总能在攻防两端兼顾，这是很明显的。不过当你的球队处于中间档次，而且交易情况不甚理想时，那你有时候就必须要在攻防之间做出取舍了。
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[–][DEN] Nikola Jokic Demb1 479 points 11 hours ago
I mean we played no defence last year and had one of the best offences and guess how far that took us...
约基奇球迷：上赛季我们掘金就是没防守的，进攻能力倒是联盟前列，可以你看看我们走了多远……
[–][HOU] Clint Capela JagMaster9000 231 points 8 hours ago
The cavs has the 29th defense and went to the finals, Jokic is not LeBron
卡佩拉球迷：可是骑士上赛季防守联盟第29，依然进了决赛啊，掘金主要怪在约基奇不是勒布朗。
[–][TOR] DeMar DeRozan MosKweli 70 points 8 hours ago
The Cavs also came out of the East where Lebron feasted on because nobody plays defence. He’s in the west now, guaranteed to not make the finals this year if he keeps slacking on defence the way he always does.
猛龙球迷：骑士上赛季能在詹姆斯可以轻松玩耍的东部杀出重围，那是因为东部没有球队重视防守。现在他到了西部了，如果他还是照样在防守端玩票，那这个赛季还想进总决赛是别想了。
[–]yepyoubet 230 points 8 hours ago
He was guaranteed to not make the Finals the instant he signed with the Lakers.
他从签约湖人的那一刻起，就已经没法进入总决赛了。
[–]NamesMace 61 points 8 hours ago
Lmao yeah when was the finals ever realistic? He’s on a long term deal bc they are trying to build something not win now
哈哈哈，没错，詹姆斯加盟湖人后，进入季后赛的目标啥时候符合实际了？他签下了一份长约啊，因为湖人打算牺牲现在为未来打好基础。
[–][CLE] Kevin Love quentin-coldwater 35 points 6 hours ago
because nobody plays defence
lol what? The Celtics, Raptors, and Sixers were 3 of the top 5 NBA defenses last year.
凯文-乐福球迷：之前那哥们儿说“东部没有球队重视防守”。
呵呵呵，张嘴就来？凯尔特人、猛龙和76人可是上赛季联盟防守表现前五的球队啊。
[–][LAC] Moses Malone CornCobbKilla 22 points 6 hours ago
Lol Celtics were number 2 in defensive rating (103.1 pts allowed per game) and raptors were number 5 (105.1 pts allowed) for the 17/18 season. Stop it. Find a new angle
摩西-马龙球迷：哈哈哈，凯尔特人的防守效率可是联盟第二（场均失分103.1）啊，而且猛龙是第五（场均失分105.1）。那哥们儿真是够了，要黑也玩点新鲜的吧。
[–]Heat qwerty7990 1249 points 12 hours ago
Sooner or later people are going to realize a 33 year old with 15 seasons of experience can't take over the game on offense and defense every night. He's not so bad at defense that he would be a negative on a good defensive team. He's still a good on ball defender.
热火球迷：大家迟早会意识到，一个已经在联盟征战15年的33岁老将，是没法每场比赛都兼顾好进攻和防守的。说什么他在一支防守不错的球队里拖后腿，他还不至于这么差好吗？他仍然是个很优秀的有球防守人。
[–]Cavaliers Jjab430 22 points 12 hours ago
You underestimate how stupid the average basketball fan is
骑士球迷：你怕是小瞧了一般篮球迷的愚蠢程度。
[–]Cavaliers OhEmGeeBasedGod 43 points 8 hours ago
Yeah, as someone who's obviously watched a lot of LeBron as a Cavs fan, this is the main point. The reason we haven't seen a dropoff ("LeDecline") in his offensive stats is because he has put 85% of his focus on that part of his game during the regular season. If he split his focus on both ends of the court, we'd notice his offensive numbers starting to fall.
Even in the playoffs last year, when he gives more defensive effort, you'd see him fading late in the games offensively because of the split focus. He'd start taking more offensive possessions off to offset the defensive possessions he was now expending energy on.
骑士球迷：没错，作为一个看过詹姆斯不少比赛的骑士球迷，你说的大差不差。勒布朗这些年之所以在进攻端的表现没有明显下滑，那是因为他在常规赛中把85%的精力都用在了进攻上。如果他把精力分摊到攻防两端，那我们就会发现他的进攻数据开始下降。
哪怕是在上赛季的季后赛里，当他投入更多精力到防守中之后，你就会看到在比赛最后阶段他的进攻乏力，因为精力被分散了。那样他会减少进攻回合的投入来抵消防守端的消耗。
[–]Kings redwashing 153 points 9 hours ago*
Walton was supposed to limit both his minutes and role, and he has done neither of those things. He's still playing heavy minutes leading the offense. We've all seen at this point of his career he can't do all this and play defense all game. I don't really know what was expected.
国王球迷：沃顿本该限制詹姆斯的上场时间和场上角色的，但是他一样也没做到。引领球队进攻的詹姆斯依然有大量的出场时间，我们都能看到，到了目前这个阶段，詹姆斯没法面面俱到，还得全场做好防守。真不知道大家都在想啥。
[–]Knicks huntzy 38 points 6 hours ago
Even if Luke Walton is saying all the right things to Lebron, the chances of him listening are relatively slim IMO.
尼克斯球迷：即便沃顿跟詹姆斯交代了所有那些合理的安排，但是我觉得吧，詹姆斯真正听进去的可能性还是微乎其微的。
[–]Whatisthefaceofmine[S] 182 points 12 hours ago*
There’s a big difference between asking him to “ take over the game” defensively and at least playing decent team defense. He doesn’t fight through screens, frequently leaves deadly three point shooters open, and has terrible transition defense.
要求詹姆斯“接管比赛”和至少打出点像样的防守，这之间的区别还是很大的。他在防掩护时不会跟上去，经常给对手留出致命三分空位，而且他的防守轮转做得很差。
[–]MJxLeBron 307 points 11 hours ago
He absolutely fights through screens and switches. Plays solid man defense too. Dude has a defensive rating of 107.9 or something. That’s the second lowest on the team. Javale McGee has the lowest. Scapegoating him is pretty lame
他防挡拆时绝对是跟上去了，而且也有轮转。他的防守也是很可靠的。他的防守效率值差不多有107.9啊，这是全队第二低的，最低的是麦基，让詹姆斯背锅也太过分了吧。
[–]thehumangenius23 183 points 11 hours ago
Dude, please leave it to the people that are actually watching him play every game this season over one suspect defensive metric. There’s a reason Lakers fans are disappointed in Lebron’s effort, and it’s because we see how he’s leaving a hole in our defense from game to game.
If he wants to inspire then maybe he should lead by example instead of shouting at everyone to cover his assignment.
老哥，麻烦让我们这些真正是看了詹姆斯这个赛季每场比赛的人来回答好嘛。湖人球迷对詹姆斯在防守端的努力程度感到失望不是平白无故的，因为我们看得到，他每场比赛都会给我们的防守中留下空当。
如果他真想为队友鼓劲儿，那就该以身作则，而不是大声喊队友去给他的失位擦屁股。
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[–]Lakers TuneHD 42 points 10 hours ago
If we could have another real big or at least a suitable small ball 5 our defense would be a lot better. We have really nice defensive potential with Zo, Rondo, Hart, KCP, Ingram, Lance, and McGee
湖人球迷：要是我们能再来一个大个子，或者至少有一套合适的小球阵容，那就会好得多了。我们有鲍尔、隆多、哈特、英格拉姆、兰斯和麦基，咱们的防守潜力还是很强的。
[–]24-Kobe-8 22 points 8 hours ago
Ayy we got tyson chandler now
哎，我们现在有钱德勒了。
[–]Cavaliers Jjab430 1346 points 12 hours ago
Why is everyone scapegoating LeBron? This sub is always shitting on casuals but the opinions on here pretty much mirror the dumb ass takes of casual fans. This place is so annoying now.
The Lakers aren't shit defensively because of LeBron. In fact, their DRtg is 11 points better with him on the floor. They're shit defensively because they have one fucking center and their backup is an undersized power forward on a 2 way contract
骑士球迷：为什么每个人都拿勒布朗当替罪羊呢？这个专区老是乱喷，真的烦人啊。
湖人防守烂不是詹姆斯造成的。事实上，有詹姆斯在场时，湖人的防守效率值还低11分。他们防守烂是因为他们特么缺一个中锋，而且他们的替补中锋只是一个拿着双向合同的小号大前锋啊。
[–]BlackLukaDoncic 44 points 12 hours ago
The Lakers Drtg with LeBron on the floor is bottom ten in the league. He is not contributing to good defensive basketball. He's just better than his replacements.
有詹姆斯在场时湖人的防守效率值排在联盟倒数前十。他没有为球队的防守出力，只是比自己的替补好点罢了。
[–]Rockets BeerDrinkingWeather 113 points 11 hours ago
And is that down to one player or the other four that are on the court with him
This post is so dumb
火箭球迷：那这是应该怪某一个球员呢？还是他在场上的另外四个队友呢？
这个帖子太蠢了。
[–][BOS] Kevin Garnett celtics090 481 points 12 hours ago
Agreed. Imo, if lebron was a 20/8/5 type player (a line he could get in his sleep), but was a Draymond type leader on D, they would be a much much better team. The reality is that he's just not wired that way. Lebron is not the type to take a backseat offensively so that he can excel defensively, and he doesn't have the stamina to consistently do both. It's unfortunate, because despite the fact that I hate LA, and dont like Lebron, I can admit that hes an elite defender when engaged. The problem is that hes almost never engaged on that side anymore.
加内特球迷：同意。在我看来，如果勒布朗是那种20/8/5类型的球员，但是防守端又是追梦那种领袖的话，那湖人会比现在强得多。可事实并非如此。勒布朗不是那种进攻时留力然后防守端勇猛的球员，而且他没有那种体能去持续性地做好攻防。很不幸的是，我虽然讨厌湖人，并且不喜欢勒布朗，但是我承认，只要勒布朗愿意防守，他就是顶尖的防守人。问题是他现在几乎不怎么投入防守了。
[–]MJxLeBron 28 points 11 hours ago
His defense has been pretty average. Lakers just need another backup big.
他如今的防守已经很普通了。湖人就是需要一名替补大个。
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[–][DEN] Jamal Murray illmatic23- 152 points 11 hours ago
How do you think he’s still a top 3 player while all his peers are old trash? He has to pace himself so he can be the best player in the nba in the playoffs like he was last year. It’s not that complicated
掘金球迷：和勒布朗同龄的球员都是又老又水了，你凭啥觉得他仍然是前三球员呢。他必须要调整自己的节奏，这样才能在季后赛中像上赛季一样做回联盟最佳。这没那么复杂。
[–]Jazz ChaseBank5 95 points 10 hours ago
Pacing himself in the west is totally different than when he was in the East. Lakers wont walk into the postseason like his Cavs team did each year.
爵士球迷：在西部调整节奏可完全不同于他过去在东部啊。湖人可不会像他之前的骑士那样每年进季后赛。
[–]Pacers ImBmitch 104 points 10 hours ago
You act like he's never played against west teams lmao
步行者球迷：说的像勒布朗从来没打过西部球队一样，哈哈哈
[–]eeeeeeethan 41 points 11 hours ago
LeBron hasn't earned the unconditional love in LA. Lakers fans are happy he coming there but hey don't love him like Kobe, so tend to be judgmental towards him. He really isn't that bad in defense this season, better than his last season in Cavs, but criticized more, by their own fans
勒布朗并没有赢得湖人球迷无条件的爱意。湖蜜对于他的到来很开心，但是他们没有像喜欢科比那样喜欢詹姆斯，所以对他的评判就会有偏见。他这个赛季的防守真的没有那么差，比上赛季在骑士是要强的。只不过这个赛季被自家球迷批评地更多了。
[–][LAL] Kobe Bryant calculus119 41 points 10 hours ago
No basketball player will be loved by lakers fans like kobe is. It is simply impossible.
科比球迷：没有球员能够在湖蜜心中得到像科比一样的爱意。这是不可能的。
[–]eeeeeeethan 12 points 9 hours ago
LeBron in LA is a similar situation as KD in Warriors, they don't love them like Kobe/Curry, in the past two years every time KD ISOs warrior fans are screaming against it.
詹姆斯在湖人的处境和杜兰特在勇士有点类似，球迷们都没有像喜欢科比/库里那样喜欢他们。过去两个赛季，每当杜兰特单打时，勇蜜都会冲他叫。
[–]Lakers LeShannonSharpe 14 points 9 hours ago
Lakers are a better defensive team with Lebron in the floor.
湖人球迷：有勒布朗在场时，其实湖人的防守更好。
[–]IcyQuote007 63 points 11 hours ago
Lebron doesn't want to play defense and quite frankly Lebron feels he can do whatever he wants.
I am one of those people that think Lebron doesn't care about winning as much before. He would have joined Philly or many other teams before the Lakers if he did. The guy is probably looking to venture post-NBA career and other aspects in life.
勒布朗就是不想防守，而且老实说，他觉得自己可以随心所欲了。
我就觉得他不在乎是否能取得和之前一样的成功了，毕竟他之前本可以加盟费城或者是其他很多球队。这老哥或许已经开始着眼于退役之后的生活了。
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